does not decrease the deficit. offset by additional revenue and budget cuts. they would not be tax increases and not cuts to medicare and social security or agriculture program but much more mundane things like fees and asset sales and cushing federal retirement, all ways in which the congress hopes it can avoid a shutdown in january and get us back into more stable budgeting environment. >> when is a fee a fee and a tax a tax. john harwood will explore that in the days ahead. >>> we've heard from fast woodworkers, economists on the debate. today an industry executive to tell us what it will really mean for his business. joining me, jamie richardson, vice president of white castle. thank you for being here. >> good to be with you, kelly. >> you say if we raise the minimum wage, president says from $7.25 an hour to, perhaps, $10 an hour. what the direct effect on white castle? >> groups pleading to raise the minimum wage to $15 an hour. to more than double the mandated minimum wage, it would be catastrophic for white castle, our team members and neighborhoods.